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A podcast that challenges polarization with real conversations, fresh perspectives, and fearless curiosity — hosted by Aaron Pete.
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199. Aaron Pete: Top 10 Moments of the Show!
Aaron Pete counts down his top 10 podcast moments — featuring David Suzuki, Tara Henley, Holly Doan, Candice Malcolm, John Rustad, Kris Sims, Aiemann Zahabi, Clarence Louie, Brent Butt, and Premier David Eby. These conversations challenged assumptions, sparked growth, and defined 200 episodes of meaningful dialogue.
200 episodes, that's 200 conversations, 200 people smarter than me and 200 chances to say something I'll regret on YouTube. But I didn't start this show to be safe. I started it to be curious, to challenge the ideas we inherit, to understand what drives people and maybe, just maybe, to grow a little along the way. So today I'll be counting down the top 10 episodes that didn't only make waves. They made me pause, rethink and remember why I started this show in the first place. So let's get into it.
Aaron Pete:Coming in at number 10, we have Canadian icon David Suzuki. When I asked him how bad things really are, he didn't sugarcoat it. We're off a cliff, he said, not heading toward one. Off it Full stop. That moment hit me hard.
Aaron Pete:Suzuki's voice carries decades of frustration. He's a scientist, an activist, a grandfather who's been sounding the alarm since before I was born. It's tempting to dismiss that kind of urgency as doom saying, but that would be missing the point. He's not just frustrated, he's heartbroken, and it made me think. If someone with that much knowledge is that worried, what excuses do the rest of us have for this level of inaction? And yet I hold onto more hope than I feel like he does. Maybe it's generational. Maybe it's naive, but I still believe change is possible, not because it's likely or because it's easy, but because it's necessary. Hearing Suzuki speak wasn't just sobering. It was a challenge to prove him wrong in the best possible way. Let's take a listen, looking at the state of the environment today, are we making progress? Are we heading in the right direction or the wrong direction?
David Suzuki:We're right over the cliff and it's too late. Too late to get back onto the cliff. You know, I used to say I felt like we're in a giant car heading at a brick wall at 100 miles an hour and everybody's arguing about where they want to sit. Doesn't matter who's driving, you have to put on the brakes and turn the wheel. But now I don't use that metaphor anymore. I say you know a roadrunner, a little bird? Well, he's always being chased by Wile E Coyote and they come to a. The roadrunner comes to the edge of a cliff and of course he does a 90-degree turn. But Wile E Coyote's got so much momentum he goes right over the cliff. And there's that moment when he's suspended and he realizes oh my god, I'm over the cliff, that's where we are. But then people say well, is it too late? Yeah, it's too late to get back to the edge of the cliff. But it makes a difference whether you fall 10 feet or 100 feet. So I'm still there, trying to hang on to something on the side to keep from falling all the way down.
David Suzuki:But the science is in. The science has been in for over 30 years and I want to remind you that in 1992, in anticipation of the Earth Summit in Rio de Janeiro. That was. The Earth Summit was the largest gathering of heads of state ever in human history, and it was meant to signal a shift in the way that human beings were living. And so, before the meeting, over half of all Nobel Prize winners signed a document called World Scientists Warning to Humanity.
David Suzuki:And the document opens by saying human beings and the natural world are on a collision course. Human activities inflict harsh and often irreversible damage on the environment and on critical resources. If not checked, many of our current practices put at serious risk the future we wish for human society and may so alter the living world that it will be unable to support life in the manner that we know. Fundamental changes are urgent if we are to avoid the collision our present course will bring about. Now, that was a very powerful document. They then listed the areas where we are colliding with our environment the atmosphere, the ocean, fresh water, species extinction, and it just goes down the whole list. Extinction, and it just goes down the whole list. Forestry and so on. And then the document gets even more grim. It says no more than one or a few decades remain before the chance to avert the threats we now confront will be lost and the prospects for humanity immeasurably diminished.
Aaron Pete:At number nine we have Tara Henley. She's a longtime friend of the program. She left the CBC not in bitterness, but in pursuit of intellectual honesty. This episode captures what happens when institutions discourage curiosity and how important it is to ask hard questions. Anyway, what I admired most wasn't just what she said, but how she said it. Tara is calm, measured and committed. It's easy to throw stones from the outside. It's harder to care enough to challenge the thing you once loved. Tara's critique didn't come from a place of vengeance. They came from grief, the grief of watching something she deeply values begin to lose its way. Tara reminded me that loving something doesn't mean never questioning it. It means caring enough to ask the uncomfortable questions. Her call wasn't to destroy the CBC. It was to reform it, to remind of its own potential and to acknowledge the damage done by abandoning its core values. In a time when people either cancel or conform, her courage to chart a third path reform. It felt rare and it felt necessary. Here's that moment.
Tara Henley:You know that I love the CBC. I said that on your first podcast that we ever did together. Part of the reason why I went public with my criticisms was because I felt like nobody else was going to say the things that needed to be said and that we were going to lose the CBC if we didn't have a frank conversation. I still feel that way and this last weekend I was invited to speak at Digital Media on the Crossroads, a big industry conference in Toronto, and I took the opportunity there to make the case for saving the CBC, for not defunding the CBC, and I felt I was uniquely positioned to make that case because I have been so critical, but also because, as you can imagine, after my resignation letter went viral, I heard from thousands of Canadians on this issue and I've had so many conversations. I felt like I had a decent handle on what the actual criticisms were and that's what I wanted to talk about. I don't think the CBC has been or is currently doing a very good job of addressing those criticisms. So McGill's Center for Technology recently did a survey. It showed that 78% of Canadians would like the CBC to continue. We hear that stat all the time in the media right now. The second part of that sentence is if it addresses its major criticisms and it doesn't get repeated, and that's a shame because it is a conversation that has to happen. I would say there are four major criticisms that I counter all the time. One is bias. Two is mistakes, particularly in pandemic coverage, particularly in that 2021-22 era that you and I have just been talking about.
Tara Henley:The CBC's own records show during that period, the ombudsman has reported a 60% increase in complaints during that time. We can't gloss over these things. We're going to have to deal with them. It's going to be painful. It's going to be painful. And then there's the complaint from within the media as a whole that the CBC is using its $1.4 billion advantage to compete against struggling media and startups like yourself and like me. And the fourth is an abuse of the taxpayers' trust.
Tara Henley:I know you had the Canadian Taxpayers Federation on in the past. You're, I'm sure, familiar with all the arguments there, but the executive salaries are quite high. The VPs are making almost $500,000 a year. We know last year from Freedom of Information requests, the CPC paid out more than $18 million in bonuses. These are things that are very difficult for the taxpayer to accept, and there has to be a conversation about that as well. Even when you look at the numbers from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, since 2015, there has been something like 231% increase in CBC staff making over $100,000 a year.
Tara Henley:Again, we are in a cost of living crisis. People across the country are having difficulty buying food that does not sit well. So those are the big criticisms. My piece sets out 15 ideas, any one of which would signal real change. I'm not under any illusions that the CBC is going to do these things. I just wanted to demonstrate what it might look like to have real change, and why I wanted to do that is to come back to your question, which is what is a positive vision of the CBC?
Aaron Pete:Number eight is Holly Doan. She does what people think journalists are supposed to do Compare promises to outcomes. There's no spin, there's no narrative, just receipts. Talking to Holly felt like stepping into a time machine, a reminder of the kind of journalism many of us grew up believing in no grandstanding, no partisan framing, just relentless focus on the facts what was promised, what happened and what didn't. It made me realize how rare that's become. We've grown so accustomed to editorializing, to teams and tribes and talking points that simply reporting feels so radical. Holly isn't trying to go viral, she's trying to get it right, and a world of noise. That clarity is its own kind of courage. Let's roll that clip.
Holly Doan:In terms of extracting government information. I also like to say to people look, we don't cover what government, what politicians say. We don't go to news conferences or watch Question Period. Really we don't cover what politicians say. We keep an go to news conferences or watch Question Period. Really we don't cover what politicians say. We keep an eye on what they're saying. We cover what government does. What government does you know if you don't know about it? It's like the dog that didn't bark. That's the dog that can hurt you if you don't know what he did. Yes, of course, then we'll cover what politicians say, but only after we know what government did will we ask them.
Aaron Pete:Coming in at number seven is Candace Malcolm. A conversation that reminded me that sometimes the best insights come from when you're willing to hear someone out, especially someone you don't entirely agree with. We talked about history, policy, media mistrust and Indigenous issues, and while our perspectives diverged, we didn't shut each other down. We listened, we challenged each other, we reflected, and that's the kind of exchange we desperately need more of. What struck me most was how much nuance emerged from our disagreement.
Aaron Pete:When you take the time to dig past slogans, past talking points, you find context, and context doesn't always change your mind, but it deepens your understanding. In that sense, candice didn't just make a point, she made an impression. So let's go to that part of the conversation. We have spots in the lower mainland where indigenous people were hanged, and so the the, the power imbalance during that period would not have led people to rush in and go. Oh, I'm sure journalists care about what our circumstances are. For so many canadians they had no idea indian residential schools even existed and that's now being taught. But to think that anybody cared about these problems 50 years ago, 100 years ago, is kind of foolhardy. So when I saw that, it was like well, maybe we're not putting in ourselves, into the context of what those times may have, may have had on people but?
Candice Malcolm:but you're conflating times too, right, like when you're talking about how there were first nations or natives that were hung in the lower mainland, Like I'm sure. I mean, do you know the dates that that happened? My guess is it was in the 1800s. Like when we're talking about residential schools, most of them opened, like in a war period, Like we're talking about like the 30s to the 60s, right, or maybe the 20s to the 60s. First of all, you know the 20s were a time when the Spanish plague was, you know, killed a quarter of the globe population, Right, Like. Like the average, you know, one in four children were surviving to the age of 18. Right, so like people just died a lot more frequently back then. To which?
Aaron Pete:people celebrated Joseph Trutch within our region. He said the extinction of Indigenous people will come at the consequence of many of these diseases, so they're not a problem to worry about, which is why he downsized Indian reserves, which Douglas gave anticipatory reserves to. So the kind of overall ethos during that period was that all these people are going to die anyway, so we don't have to worry about them. So it wasn't like there was a lot of love for Indigenous people during some of the periods we're talking about.
Candice Malcolm:Well, okay, so I was talking about in an entire population, not just First Nations. Like everyone was dying from the Black Plague, right, people were dying and I'm sure you can find awful quotes because it was a different time when people had different views. I'm sure you could find quotes from First Nations people saying awful horrible racist things about white people too, and you can find awful horrible quotes about white people Like I don't think that the two sides had the best relations back then and I think that there's a lot of people, but one had all the power and one had none of the power yeah, it was definitely like regrettable circumstances.
Candice Malcolm:But, aaron, I'm talking about like the fact that there's claims that there were hundreds of children that were murdered in these schools but that we don't know the names of those kids, like we don't know who they are. Like I mean, I'm saying this as a mother like if I send my kids off to school and they don't come home, like I'm not just gonna say like, oh well, oh well, no one cares anyway, so I home. Like I'm not just going to say like, oh well, oh well, no one cares anyway, so I'm just going to, I'm not going to talk about it, I'm just going to go along, like, like if something happens to your children, you're going to let it know, even if it's just in your community. Like you're going to have a record that your child died at a school. Like, even if it's just that you, that you keep that record in your community.
Candice Malcolm:Maybe you don't go tell the white sheriff down the street because you don't trust him, but but the the idea that there's just all of these children that were murdered by nuns and priests and teachers, like, like you say, like a lack of an evidence is an evidence. That's, that's a pretty, that's. That's one of the worst accusations that you can level against another human being.
Aaron Pete:But it's not against a human being, it's against a broader system. Right, it's not one. I'm not saying this guy was responsible, which, to your point, would be incredibly disrespectful. It's that the system would have caused these deaths, these people working within the system. I actually have a lot of sympathy for the individuals who worked with them. We do know that many of the people who wanted to work in Indian residential schools over the past hundred years were not the most well-intentioned individuals, that going up into the middle of nowhere and working with kids was not something many people wanted to do, and some of them had perverse incentives, dark incentives and harmful ideas on what they would be able to do if they ran those so like a bunch of, so the government recruited a bunch of murderers to go off and like kill kids like I.
Candice Malcolm:I just I'm trying to understand the accusation because again, like because we're writing about this is a super controversial topic. I've heard from a lot of canadians. I really respect what you're saying and I'm happy to continue this conversation as long as you want because I think I can learn from you in this instance because you're a lot more connected to it than I. But I've heard from people who say you know, there was an Indian residential school in my community and they got more money than the public schools or the Catholic schools and they had more resources and they had better teachers and they had nicer buildings. And I've talked to people who were graduates of these residential schools and they say that it changed their life and it made them on a better path towards succeeding in a modern economy.
Candice Malcolm:So like there's two sides to it, right, it's like I'm sure a lot of people went to school and had a miserable experience and they were homesick and they were sad. A lot of people really wanted their children to attend these schools because they saw it as an opportunity for betterment. Like I said, the schools weren't compulsory, they weren't mandatory, they weren't going and scooping people up from their house, despite there's a sort of a thought that that was happening, that the Canadian police were going door to door and scooping kids up and taking them to these schools. That's a myth, as far as I can understand. People wanted the schools and sure, like in any environment, there's going to be an abuse of power. There was abuse and there was horrible, unspeakable abuse and it's tragic and anyone who was involved in that should be held accountable. There's a reason we got rid of this program. It obviously failed. It didn't work, although some people did benefit from it.
Aaron Pete:But fair to say that churches have had a system to protect their own, not just with indigenous people, but there's documentaries about how they've moved people around to avoid the exact accountability that you're describing what churches? There uh, there's man off the top of my head. There's a um, a netflix documentary called like mother something, and she was a nun and she worked within the system and canada, in the us, okay, and that she was murdered and that a few of her colleagues were murdered and the priest.
Aaron Pete:They have documentation that he was committing these atrocities. They have documentation the churches knew and that they were deliberately moving him around. I can't remember the name of the documentary off the top of my head but like this isn't controversial that this has happened.
Candice Malcolm:Yeah, I think that there's been abuses in power, and they used to happen at churches and now they happen in other places.
Aaron Pete:Number six is John Rustad. Our conversation cut through political politeness and struck a nerve across the province. I asked him plainly would you fire Bonnie Henry? His answer didn't come from a prepared script or a cautious politician's filter. It came from conviction. What followed was a detailed critique not just of the public health decisions but of the values guiding them. Rustad didn't hedge. He argued that ideology had taken precedence over evidence and the decisions made in that mindset were doing real harm. Whether you agree with him or not, what matters is that he showed his work. In politics that's pretty rare. This conversation reminded me that tough questions aren't just headlines. They're about accountability and in a democracy we can't afford to forget that. Would you fire Bonnie Henry?
John Rustad:Yes, Well, sorry, I don't know if we need to fire her, but we would terminate her contract in whatever form that would be. I look at like Bonnie Henry did the best she could during COVID. When you look back at it, you can really question a lot of decisions she made. It seemed to be driven more by ideology than it did by science. But I'm not a doctor, I'm not a scientist, you know. I can't question that myself. When you compare the results compared to some other jurisdictions okay, maybe our results weren't as good as what we're led to believe, but I looked at it particularly from the perspective of not hiring back our healthcare workers. Every other jurisdiction in North America hired back our healthcare workers, as far as I know, every other jurisdiction in the world and yet we didn't. And I asked Bonnie Henry why we weren't doing it and she, what she essentially told me was if healthcare workers are not prepared to take a vaccine, then they should probably be thinking about working in a different field. In other words, it was ideologically driven. It was not driven based on health. It was not driven based on risks. Every other jurisdiction did this. We didn't.
John Rustad:To me, that's somebody who's actually causing harm to our system and that should be the first order of a doctor. You know, do no harm, that there's harm being done to our system. And I also look at Dr Bonnie Henry, who went out to Ottawa and made the argument on behalf of David Eby and his government that we should be expanding safe supply, that safe supply should be available you know, in stores, that we should be doubling down on decriminalization. I mean, these have been utter failures in our society. Experts are telling me we have the highest level of addicts per capita anywhere in North America and it's particularly acute, of course, with indigenous populations. And I look at that and I think this is not the direction we should be going. And if this is what she believes we should be doing, then I think she needs to find work elsewhere.
Aaron Pete:Number five is Chris Sims. When it comes to taxes, few people are as clear and relentless as she is, and, whether you agree with her or not, her ability to break down policy into plain language makes her a powerful communicator. We talked about the carbon tax where it started, how it evolved and what it means for ordinary Canadians, but the real value of the conversation wasn't in the numbers, it was in the framing. Chris reminded me that behind every tax policy is a family trying to make ends meet, a senior heating their home, a truck driver filling their tank. This wasn't a rant, it was a reality check. Let's go to that clip.
Kris Sims:The first. You might be surprised I might not be telling you something you don't know. Actually, you probably already know this, but the first political party in Canada to run a campaign against the carbon tax that even said ax the tax was the British Columbia NDP. That's right. So back when Carol James, the former finance minister, was leader of the NDP, she called Gordon Campbell's idea to have a revenue neutral carbon tax lipstick on a pig. I agree that was a really good quote.
Kris Sims:And then she ran an entire election campaign on axing the tax because she thought it would be unfair to punish people for heating their homes and driving to work and eating food. She was right then, and I can't for the life of me explain to you why the provincial New Democrats in British Columbia have lost sight of that. In fact, there's footage of John Horgan, before he became premier, in the opposition benches railing against the carbon tax in BC, and that was back when it was about five cents a liter carbon tax in BC, and that was back when it was about five cents a litre. You guys are more than 30 cents a litre right now with your two carbon taxes. So my point of all this is is politicians can change their minds and the NDP really reversed course on the carbon tax, unfortunately, and we want them to see them go back to axing the tax.
Aaron Pete:Number four is my guy, amon Zahabi, ufc fighter coach and strategist. But what impressed me most wasn't his physical training, it was his mental discipline. We talked about mindset pressure and doubt and the decision to bring on a mental coach to sharpen his edge. In a world where fighters often present themselves as invincible, amon's honesty about his need for mental strength stood out because it was humble, it was real. The lesson Everyone, no matter how tough, needs help staying sharp. Greatness, as he put it, isn't about being great once, it's about repeating it. And that hit home for me. Let's jump to that clip. I'm wondering if you can talk about choosing to work with a mental coach, how that decision came about and how you find somebody who's maybe the right fit to work with you about your mental game.
Aiemann Zahabi:Yeah, well, I hired Mindset Mike because my friend suggested it for me. Like, listen, I got a coach for everything else right. So why not have a coach for the mind? Because, in the end, the final piece is the mindset right. When you get to the top 15, everyone's well-conditioned, everyone's got skills, everyone's got their path to victory. But if I can have someone who can have me run through a system that guarantees that I'm going to be performing my best on the night, that counts. Why not take that advantage, right? So that's kind of the reasoning behind hiring him.
Aiemann Zahabi:Because you know to be great. It's about repeating that greatness over and over again. You know, if you're great one night, who cares? You got to keep repeating the greatness for people to be like oh wow, how does he keep being great? That's what really makes people love you, right? So that's kind of like the the reasons why I wanted to hire one. And, uh, so far, like the two times we worked together, I had no doubt that I was going to perform well, because I was. My mind was so clear. You know, I knew exactly what I needed to do, and especially in this last one, where I ran into some trouble near the end and I used some of the techniques to make sure that I ended up on top.
Aaron Pete:Coming in at number three is Chief Clarence Louis, a man who speaks like he's got no time for fluff Because he doesn't. Every word he shared is grounded in a belief in Indigenous self-reliance and an even deeper understanding of how economics drives community success. What stuck with me was how unapologetically practical he is. He's not here to pander or to guilt anyone to change. He's here to build, to employ and to get results. His vision isn't built on theories. It's built on experience. It's built on decades of leading his community, not just through words, but through real action. The clip we're about to hear reminds us that, whether you're talking about education, health care or cultural programs, the money has to come from somewhere, and if we want sovereignty, we need economic power. It's a message that empowering as it is, challenging, and one I think about constantly.
Chief Clarence Louie:One of the national chiefs once said it's the economic horse that pulls the social cart. Well, yes, it is, but most of our people don't realize that they're trying to put the cart before the horse. You know, they all talk about all these social programs, social elders programs, youth programs, education. Everything costs money. Health costs money. I've never met a teacher that works for free. Nurses and doctors don't work for free.
Chief Clarence Louie:Everybody wants a paycheck. There's nothing wrong with that. That's just normal and natural. Everybody wants a paycheck, even when I see healers, these native healers that go around. We have to pay them. Nobody, unless you're going to live off of welfare.
Chief Clarence Louie:The majority of our people want a decent paycheck and they have to realize that those paychecks that come from and even if you work in social services or schools or in education, that paycheck comes from somewhere. I mean the money, the funded money that goes into health and education, comes from economic development, comes from corporate taxes, comes from personal taxes, natural resource taxes, everything. If you connect the dots, it all goes back to economic development. Because unless you're a third world country dependent on foreign aid which I know, canada and America and most GA countries they end up giving money, they end up giving some of their economic development money to these needy countries because they depend on foreign aid. But every government I don't care if it's the federal government, provincial government, municipal governments, first nation governments every government needs money to operate.
Chief Clarence Louie:And if you connect the dots, dots, where does that money come from? It doesn't just fall out of the sky, people you know. It just bugs me that natives can't connect the dots. They can't connect the dots of where. Where does this money come from to pay my teachers, or to pay our social service staff, or or where's the money come for youth programs, elders programs, on it when we bury people, where's that money come from? It comes from economic development, it comes from business development. That's where all the money comes from to run the federal, provincial, municipal, first nation governments. Money just doesn't fall out of the sky. It comes from economic development.
Aaron Pete:Coming in at number two is the great Brent Butt, comedian, writer and the creator of Corner Gas. This episode was a reminder that laughter isn't just an escape. It's a way of processing the world. I've had some heavy conversations on the show about war, addiction, politics, climate change, but Brent reminded me that you can approach serious issues with a light touch and that sometimes humor gets to the truth faster than outrage does. Brent has this gift for making you feel like everything's going to be okay, even if it's not, and in an era of cynicism, his optimism grounded in honesty is refreshing. This conversation gave me a second wind. It reminded me why storytelling and, yes, even jokes, still matter.
Aaron Pete:I grew up watching your show. I grew up looking up to you. I've learned so much through your journey of highlighting individuals who are making a difference, and you've done such a great job of reminding us to look at the small moments, see humor in it and make sure that we're being the best people we can be, and I just I think you're just such a positive influence for people and I think I can't thank you enough for doing this. You've been a highlight of doing this podcast. I can't appreciate you. Shut up stupid.
Brent Butt:How about that? Put a little twist at the end there. Well, thank you, thanks for all that Very kind words. I appreciate that very much.
Aaron Pete:Tober 3rd. I think people should absolutely read it. We've got a dog cameo going on in the background for people who are just listening.
Aaron Pete:And number one, premier david eby. Not just because he's the sitting premier, but because this conversation marked a turning point for me. It validated the podcast in the eyes of many, but, more importantly, it deepened my own understanding of leadership. Eby didn't dodge, he didn't deflect. He leaned into that tension. He acknowledged mistakes. He tried to explain the why, not just the. What what moved me most was his reflection on trust In a world where confidence in government is absolutely crumbling. He didn't pretend that faith could be won with slogans. He talked about earning it brick by brick, mistake by mistake, correction by correction. That's a rare kind of humility for someone in power and that's why this conversation, for me, sits at number one. How do you process, during that storm of reaction, whether or not you're on the right track or not, or whether or not there's too much political pressure to continue?
David Eby:Yeah, I mean, one of the things that you do see in politics is there's always another side. Even in issues where you think it should be pretty cut and dried and during COVID it's a great example like whether or not you should get a vaccine, it felt to me like a pretty straightforward oh my God, there's vaccines, get a vaccine, you know. It felt to me like a pretty straightforward oh my God. There's vaccines, like let's get vaccinated. But there's always another side, and one of the things is that that we're really seeing is and, and some of it's just, you know it's in in your example.
David Eby:Anytime you're making a change, people, you're asking people to trust. You know we're making a change. What's coming next is going to be better and and I don't know you know I wasn't alive in previous times in human history, but it felt like trust was a lot higher in institutions and government and in neighborhoods and each other, and so this is a time of of limited trust. So, whether it's tearing down a building, or whether it's taking a vaccine, or whether it's you, it's any government policy that's going to change the status quo, people have to trust that you're doing it for the right reasons, yes, but also that it's going to be a positive outcome.
David Eby:And so that's the big challenge of politics, to my mind and doing politics well or not is your ability not just to communicate where you're going and where you want to go, but that you're actually able to come back after you made the change and say, yeah, we achieved it, or earn trust by saying, no, we didn't. And maybe we could talk about decrim, but we didn't achieve what we wanted here, and so we have to go back and try again and to have the humility to say, yeah, we thought it was going to have this outcome, it didn't, and we have to keep pushing and changing 200 episodes and these were only just 10 moments, but what they all share is this honesty, courage and a willingness to say what matters, even when it's hard.
Aaron Pete:This isn't just a podcast. It's a space to wrestle with ideas, to challenge assumptions and remind ourselves that complexity isn't a flaw, it's a feature. Thank you for being part of the first 200. Let's see what we can learn in the next 200.
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